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Mon Dec 15, 2003 2:24 am
PhilC
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Following an email from me, pointing out the illegalities of reproducing entire works without permission, Jill removed my article from her site, together with all comments about it. She also removed Chris Ridings' article.
As a result, I've removed the links from the main WebWorkshop site to my response page.
Mon Dec 15, 2003 3:27 pm
PhilC
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Jill Whalen started a thread at her forum with the following post (the red color is added by me):-
Jill Whalen wrote:
Apparently, many people thought that my intro in my last newsletter about not chasing algos, was actually about them. Go figure.
As I mentioned in a previous thread, I was receiving some nasty emails from some people, and there's also a few articles that have been published on the subject.
Certainly, I've never shied away from an online disagreement, but it's interesting to read the nasty emails and articles because they're not really even disagreements. They're just written to be nasty.
At any rate, I decided to create a new blog SEO Bitch! where I can post the nastygrams and articles. Many are quite amusing.
The good news is that the letters of support far, far, far outweighed the nastygrams. I even had far fewer unsubscribes after that issue than usual.
Remember, the SEO Bitch! site is a blog, so you should start at the bottom and work your way up.
I just found the thread and, since mine was one of the articles that she mentioned, and because she described it as being written to be nasty, I thought I'd post there to set the record straight. My post got deleted very quickly and my account got suspended but this is what I posted:-
I wrote:
I was just doing a bit of surfing and came across this thread in which I, and others, were accused of writing things for the sake of just being nasty. I can't speak for the others, but I can speak for myself, so I thought I'd set the record straight. But before you get your proverbials in a twist, Jill, I'm not stopping. Christmas is upon us and I'll be out of action for a while. So I'll simply say what I have to say and leave it. I expect you'll find a reason to edit it anyway.
Most of what I wrote in my article was merited on an academic level. Jill reprinted the whole article illegally (without permission) and commented that it contained lies about her. But she didn't state what the lies were. In fact, there are no lies about her in the article. It contains things about her that are not very nice, but they are true.
It's not the first time that she's accused me of lying about her. She did it in this forum not long ago but, after denying everything for a while, she finally owned up and proved my case, and I was seen to have been telling the truth all along. I've never lied about her, or anybody else, and I've never invented things about her or anyone else. I know some unpleasant things about her because I've seen them, and I sometimes state them because I dislike what she does and says enormously, but they are not lies.
*I* don't go around stealing other people's work, and *I* don't go around lying all over the place.
Incidentally, Jill removed my article from her seo bitch site as soon as she received my email pointing out the illegality of putting it there without permission. I don't believe for one second that she didn't know that it was illegal to put it on her site, so what does that make her?
Jill, if you were honest with people, you wouldn't get the sort of flack that you get. It's only because you persist in telling people things that you know are untrue that the flack comes your way.
About setting the record straight:- did I write the article just to be nasty? Not really, but I do admit that I put more into it because it was about Jill's newsletter than I would otherwise have done. It wasn't just an academic commentary; it contained some personal feeling, which might just amount to a degree of nastiness on my part. But it wasn't nearly as nasty as some of the comments Jill wrote in her bitch site about people she received emails from, so I'm content with it. Also, it doesn't contain lies, whereas Jill's comments on the article (before she removed it all) did contain lies about me. Unfortunately, I can't quote them because she removed it all, but you can read about them in my response by searching Google for 'seo bitch' and looking for the webworkshop.net listing on the first page. I removed the links to the response from my site when Jill removed the illegal reprinting of the article from hers, but Google had already got it.
In the second post of this thread, Jill, Vijay asked you a question. At least one of the people here recognised that there may be some merit in the article, but you didn't answer his question yet.
Vijay, my article may have contained an element of nastiness, but it wasn't "useless", as you put it. It corrected the misinformation that Jill put out in that newsletter. The newsletter goes out to thousands of people, almost all of whom will not read this thread and will not become aware of the later discussion about "best" sites. To those people, what Jill wrote was that, if they make their sites to be in the best 10 for their topic, Google will list them in the top 10. She didn't say that exactly, but anyone reading it would have certainly infered that from what she wrote. In fact, she admitted in this thread that she said a little wrongly (I think). We all know that it isn't true, of course, and those things needed correcting. There were other things in the newsletter that needed correcting too - hence the article.
And finally...
Jill, contrary to your stated belief, I didn't optimize the article to rank highly for "Jill Whalen". It's only at #20, for goodness sakes. I know that what the page contains is your idea of optimization, but it isn't mine, and it isn't optimization. It's only friendlyization - your stock in trade.
I thought that she "never shied away from an online disagreement". Another bit of misleading information from her?
I thought the second post in her thread was interesting - where Vijay more-or-less summed up the way it works at her forum. He sounded almost afraid to ask the question because it might have sounded critical of Jill Whalen. Shame, huh?
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27th January 2004 Jill Whalen is so scared of the publicity that she's taken the seobitch content down and replaced it with a photograph, and she's removed the thread in her forum that I refered to above.
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She thinks it's all about copywriting, so let her try and get to the top via copy.
Fri Dec 26, 2003 1:12 pm
cardesign
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Quote:
Today I was pointed to the "SEO Bitch" website, and was surprised to find that the "Bitch" is Jill Whalen. The name she has chosen is something of a misnomer because, whilst she may indeed be correct in describing herself as a bitch, she is not an SEO
She thinks it's all about copywriting, so let her try and get to the top via copy.
I've changed the links to javascript.
Wed Jan 07, 2004 2:22 pm
Emancipator
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I am trying to stay neutral on the Jill deal
Funny thing is I was over at www.seo-bitch.com and was like DAMN Jill is awful hard on herself, then I realized that they were talking highly of my pal John Scott and thats when I went.. .hmmmmm.. and read the small print at the bottom of the page.
Somebody has been a bad boy or girl.
Tue Jan 27, 2004 9:33 pm
PhilC
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The somebody who put the www.seo-bitch.com site up, or the somebody that the site is about?
Wed Jan 28, 2004 12:31 am
Mel
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Come on Guys lighten up a bit.
Jill is a very talented gal, perhaps SEO may not be her forte, but I know of no one who has done a better job of promoting themselves.
The somebody who put the www.seo-bitch.com site up, or the somebody that the site is about?
lol. That like Search Engine algorithms is open to interpretation. That was my weak effort at humor. I just found the whole thing quite entertaining.
Wed Jan 28, 2004 3:41 am
Emancipator
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Mel wrote:
Come on Guys lighten up a bit.
Jill is a very talented gal, perhaps SEO may not be her forte, but I know of no one who has done a better job of promoting themselves.
lol
Wed Jan 28, 2004 3:52 am
WilliamC
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If Jill is so talented then she should be able to keep #1 position for her own name as a keyword. Personally I think seo-bitch.com is going to take #1 for her name very very quickly.
Hey Phil, is that you or Robert Redford in the pic?
Ok, first things first. I have closely been watching a ranking report by Jill for the keywords Depression Glass for dgplace.com optimized by the so-called SEO Jill. Pre Florida it wa the second result. Post Florida in the second page. Austin blew her site away!!!!
And she talks about content? I mean the home-page of dgplace.com contains Depression Glass, depression glass, depression and glass. You call that content?
I'm always afraid of American Companies who invite you for parties. Soon after the party is over they give you an envelope and say "hey nice working for us but you know we are laying off." This is what happend last year at Google Dance 2003. Apparently when Jill was partying with Google, she didn't get the message. The message: Jill, your optimization pranks are coming to an end.
I mean she's a really a nice mom. She even went out of the way to help her son's friend:
Quote:
My son's best friend Dimitri's family owns the local Pizza place here in Ashland, MA. I finally got around to creating a little Website for them so that people can view their menu.
Check out Nicks Pizza and Seafood in Ashland, MA.
Not the greatest Website in the world, but it should suffice!
Tell me, why didn't she do the optimization part of it?
Now, one more thing. Her website codes are not W3C complaint. Any SEO on top should have mastered this art, she didn't.
And she CALLs herself an SEO. Look, she outsources link building to one of the trio in the seobitch page. And Jill is an honourable SEO.
Guys, good news!!! I cracked the Google Algo. Yes, I researched ten random websites and I got the mechanism which I have disclosed it to an American company which will testfire soon. Just wich me luck.
Regards,
Dilip Samuel
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Thu Feb 12, 2004 7:34 am
nightqueen
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Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha...I can't stop laughing.
That's not a website, that's 3 pages with a large picture on each. My 5 year old cousin could do better than that! She hasn't implemented one single aspect of good web design in there. (except maybe simplicity is king!!)
To be fair to her, I believe it was a long time ago, and websites back then really were poor by later standards.
But www.dgplace.com sounds interesting. I'll look into it and maybe get a new addition for the seo-bitch site from it. Thanks for the info, dilipsam
Thu Feb 12, 2004 2:48 pm
Emancipator
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I had a webdesign customer call me the other day and talk about scary they were still using tactics from BEFORE the 1995 no-where content doors. I pointed out this site and another one I visit as a good place to start learning what to do.
They were paying a guy to do their SEO and they didnt even have basic things like TEXT on the page, HEADERS, and backlnks might as well have been greek. Very scary!
Thu Feb 12, 2004 2:57 pm
PhilC
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Yikes! I came across a potential client a week or so back (client now) who's site had been 'professionally SEOed'. I only looked at the home page, but there was no seo in it - not even in the Title tag, let alone in the text.
Thu Feb 12, 2004 3:27 pm
WilliamC
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PhilC wrote:
Yikes! I came across a potential client a week or so back (client now) who's site had been 'professionally SEOed'. I only looked at the home page, but there was no seo in it - not even in the Title tag, let alone in the text.
I think I know that client
Thu Feb 12, 2004 3:30 pm
PhilC
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I think you do ;)
Thu Feb 12, 2004 4:24 pm
dilipsam
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Dan Thies might be right
Hello all and Phil,
My research findings in fact support Dan Thies research. That's that for now.
Regards,
Dilip Samuel
Thu Feb 12, 2004 5:05 pm
dilipsam
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Apparently Jill didn't want to be alone
Hello,
And yes, Jill couldn't take the attribute (bitch) all alone. So she creates another domain http://www.seobitches.com
Human vanity is limitless!!!!
Regards,
Dilip Samuel
Thu Feb 12, 2004 8:25 pm
PhilC
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Weird stuff.
Thu Feb 12, 2004 10:10 pm
WilliamC
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isn't it obvious?
shes gonna try crosslinking em to beat phils page ranking.
Thu Feb 12, 2004 10:13 pm
PhilC
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LOL!!!
Thu Feb 12, 2004 10:35 pm
WilliamC
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I see yer site hit #1 & #2 for seo bitch
Fri Feb 13, 2004 5:34 am
PhilC
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Yup I did that almost a week ago because Jill's site has disappeared.
Fri Feb 13, 2004 11:14 am
circuithead
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gotta love the beeatch!
Hey, I love Jill. I love her cause the less competition the better! Keep up with the disinfo!
let's take it to the man!
Mon Feb 16, 2004 4:13 pm
PhilC
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Holy shenanigans!!! The dirty low down, two-faced, four-flushing, back-stabbing, son of a bitch!!! I can't believe that even she would stoop so low as to put the words "Jill Whalen" on her websites in a blatantly underhanded and scurrilous attempt to steal my rankings. This means war!!!!!
Oh, and by the way, welcome to the friendliest forum on the web, worldisnotenough
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