I don't think it's that. Google gave the go-ahead for the cloaking that forums do. Also, all of this site's pages (forum and non-forum) are Supplemental, except for the homepage - why would the homepage be exempt?

The only page from this site that ranks for anything is the homepage - even the PageRank page doesn't rank any more.

very true. and quite a few people have also said the homepage was not supplemental'd but all other pages were. The issue is a rather large one obviously, the question remains what besides the 301 stuff that I have been able to find is doing it. Obviously it is much more than just a canonical issue.

It may not be anything to do with 301s. In fact, I'd be very surprised if it is, because it would mean that there is more than one cause, which I think is unlikely. (This site doesn't operate any 301s or 302s.)

It may not be more than one cause really. It may be a single filter (cause) that certain "things" such as 301's and some other flagged types are run thru that is doing it.

I agree with that. It's likely to be something that affects different things. It might be a bit of bad BD programming and not even a filter of any kind.

That is about what I would expect at any rate.

When was your site effected Phil?

I don't know when it started because I've been offline for about a week, but yesterday I saw that all pages except the homepage were supplemental, and the homepage was the only one that had any rankings. Today it's changed. Now there are almost 500 pages that are not supplemental - perhaps the number is growing - and other pages are ranked again.

It may be because I'm seeing a different DC, or it may because they are fixing it.

The number of DC's showing large numbers of supplemental results has decreased dramatically.

Dave

That sounds good. It looks like the problem is on the way out.

Let's hope it is and is not a matter of simply migrating the results from the unaffected data centers to the affected ones while the try and figure out what broke or we could be looking at this mess again.

Dave

I'm sure they'll have figured out what went wrong. Fixing it will probably take a little longer than figuring it out, but I have confidence that all will end up well

It just reminded me of a fault finding job that a friend of mine got some years ago. A premium rate company's system crashed from time to time and they couldn't figure out why. My friend was commissioned to sort it out. It turned out to be something in the programming that couldn't fail to crash the system - part of the reset caused the future crash. But the people at Google are smart, and they'll sort it out pdq.

As of this morning, I'm seeing only 6 DC's/IP's that are still having a problem. Namely...

216.239.59.99
66.102.11.99
216.239.59.104
66.102.11.104
66.102.9.104
216.239.59.105

I'm also seeing a slight flux in some of my SERP's but this is not tied to the DC's/IP's that were "fixed".

It's my impression, at least initially, that as this problem is repaired, your rankings should not suffer as a direct result of the problem once repaired.

Dave

This site appears to be out of supplemental. We can only see the top 1000 results, so it's impossible to say that it's completely out, but the OUTed pages are definitely on the increase.

Two days ago - only one page out
Yesterday - almost 500 pages out
Today - at least 1000 pages out

Some people are out and others are not tho. So it seems as if google may be fixing the problem site by site in their index. Meaning it could take weeks to get all the sites fixed.

Is it out of all the DC's Phil?

I've no idea. I only check google.com and 66.249.93.104

This would also mean that everytime a new site was built and picked up the fix would have to be made on it first?

I can't see them having to do this by hand, is that what you're saying?

no no, the fix would have been repaired in the algo, but to fix all the issues they have to rerun every site back thru the changed algo i would think.

Ok now I understand.

This would make sense. Rather than migrate the data from one DC to another, complete the fix by recrawling and reindexing each site.

This also would lend credence to the thought that they either lost the data in the short barrels or it was somehow corupted so that it could not be used.

Dave

It sounds like now they have two different problems.

One has been fixed and the other they have no idea what it is.

Can you update us on the progess Janeth?

No real update only what others are saying about this

I just noticed something in one of the affected data centers when it comes to my site. Both of the following show up with a site: command

http://www.chainzonline.com/Category.asp?Category=70

http://www.chainzonline.com/category.asp?category=70

Note the difference with the "C" in category.

My understanding is that this is done in coding asp to clearly show functions etc.

Now this does not appear to be a problem in the "repaired" data centers.

Any thoughts?

Dave

hi guys,

Everything, so far, on my itty-bitty site is okee-dokee. Out of about 72 pages the only ones hitting sup-pla-mental are the ones that don't no longer exist, anyhow. S'pose I shudda let Goo know when they disappeared a few 'ears ago. But they nevered showed up on Silly Serps until now.

Now, thatz intrestin, hey!?!

this stuff iz just too confoosing

I'm looking at the DC's this morning. There's a couple more DC's that are having problems. Also, there are a few data centers returning a DNS error for the past few days.

The problems in the "affected" data centers appear to be worsening, at least for me, with around 20 fewer fully indexed pages than before.

Dave

It's up and down like a brides nighty for me, with between 10,000 and 150,000 pages being indexed depending on which DC you look at.
Still I suppose it will sort itself out in the end.
Ian

This site is still fully out - up to the first 1000 pages, that is, but there are people with sites that haven't come out at all, and the longer that lasts the worse it is, because they may not get fixed.